Politics - Feel free to join in - be respectful of others opinions

So when life gives you lemons, just make sure you have Tequila and salt!

The only thing I know that all parties can agree on is to give themselves a raise and they have done that very successfully!



Healthcare for all? May happen but someone has to pay for it. Until they can decide who and where and what they have to figure out who’s on first, what’s on second and I don’t know on third. (You'll understand that one if your my age or better).



This pertains to every political group out there. One group blames another group them that group blames someone else… repeat sequence. Did you ever hear someone say, “the last party did a spectacular job for the last 8 years and we are going to try and do a better one!” Yeah, don’t think so.
We’re going to fix what they broke… yeah, heard that one before!



Wait this is a good one… We’re going to lower taxes to put more money in your pocket… heard that one a few times too.


We’re going to lower taxes to create more jobs! – hmmm, I know I have heard that before somewhere…


Democrats are in power and blame Republicans; Republicans come back and blame Democrats. Both parties flame all the other parties… should I go on?


In the end does it really matter who’s in charge at the end of the day? For the last 40+ years it’s been pretty much the same. Ford was good for a funny trip, Carter builds some pretty nice houses and for a good cause, Reagan – I think everyone liked him, the Bush’s – I served while both were president and I had the opportunity to shake both of their hands in the Middle East – to me there good to go, Obama – he slammed Osama so he’s good in my book.

 

I agree with you MACLAN, it is because of the same old same old that politics do not really mean much to me anymore.

BTW, eventhough I am in my 40's I clearly understund the baseball reference

 

I certainly understand what you are saying, but somewhere along the line we have to stand up and say ENOUGH!!!! I don't know if that means going for fringe party candidates or what. Maybe those of us who have had enough need to get involved. Nothing will change if we do nothing.

 

Having already grown sick of Bill Clinton after only 2 years as president Americans swept into office a majority of Republicans into Congress in 1994 for the first time in 50 years. These GOP then submitted to Clinton the "Contract with America", a plan which balanced our federal budget. Clinton did NOT push this, he did not create this. In fact, he deeply resisted this, along with the reforming of welfare which was included. I was truly amazed when he did sign it tho. Stunningly, he took credit for it soon thereafter, and has done so ever since, knowing full well how ill-informed most Americans are. I am NOT endorsing any GOP type, by no stretch of the imagination. But Bill Clinton was (is) a phony and he treated women like shit. Shit. Including his own wife. He lied under oath in the Paula Jones deposition and again, to all our faces into the cameras when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman!" Find some other democrat or politician to heap praise on. There have been some decent ones. But not this fraud...All he did was have the stunning luck to be in office during economic good times and the political savvy to sign that budget because it was popular then...He is a cad...

 

I agree but in order to have change, you have to have people that not only want the change but will help get that change implemented, is what we don’t have. Past, current and future issues can be voiced but I haven’t seen too much change in politics at all over the years.
Media and Marketing to America - Even the current protest in New York, Seattle and other locations are not going to change anything about corporate American greed when in all actuality it is individual American greed. People in general think that America owes them in some way or think that they are entitled to rights, money and social status. People are created equal but some things have to be earned and worked for. Values have changed as well too. People think it’s more important to have a nice car, large screen TV, X-Box and toys than to save for a future, a house or for that matter making it just a better place. In their eyes, it easier to blame than to take responsibility.
Employment or the lack of – Government creating jobs - Everyone out there that actually wants a job could work. I say could because they make a choice not to. I don’t buy into the, “I can’t find a job” scenario. It’s the average person’s personal views that hinder them from looking at jobs below their skill level. If you were a manager of hundreds of people and you lose your job, you may have to except a job being managed instead. The biggest issue is that a pay cut may be necessary and again people think they are entitled, I mean they have to be able to afford Premium DirecTV, high speed internet, gas for the SUV, large screen TV’s and the house they couldn’t realistically afford but the bank qualified them anyways. See the media and employment connections?
In order for change to happen we have to accept reality before we can create the dream. Then and only then can we go to TTR and have a great time!

 

For the most part I think this mess was created by "We the People." Most of us don't have a clue what someone stands for when we vote. It is amazing that someone could lose an election over something they may have done as a kid, but yet someone with a horrible voting record can get re-elected to term after term.

The media controls so much of what people perceive to be the truth that noone knows what the truth is anymore. The New York Times is supposed to be among the top in journalistic excellence, yet the total distortions that appear in that paper would make Fox look "fair and balanced" in contrast. How many people actually believe every e-mail that is sent to them if the e-mails agree with what that person's perception is?

Someone could come up with a plan to save Social Security, but if they had an affair 20 years ago they would probably lose the election. What seems to be the biggest complaint about Romney? Right now, it seems to be the fact that he's a Mormon. Fifty years ago the cry was "Don't elect Kennedy! He's a Catholic." Amazing how far we haven't come in 50 years. A politician's record is irrelevant. The only relevance is what the public perceives to be that person's record or what's important about that candidate.

 

best point on this thread yet!

rob

 

i do love me some 9 9 9 hermain cain plan

amazingly simple and something our country is in dire need of

SIMPLICITY!!!!!!!!!!!

rob

 

People are controlled by the media; the media gives the people the drama they want regardless of the facts. The majority of the people vote like they do for American Idol and don’t know who is the best person for the job. For example only – a large amount of African American voters voted for Obama just because he was black just as a large amount of support went to Hilary Clinton, Palin and Bachmann just because they are women.
And just for the record… I am for the person who can do the job the best regardless of color, race, gender, their skeletons (we all have them) or anything else for that matter.
Universal healthcare for everyone is a great idea but will never happen in a democracy. You can’t offer everyone the same access for the same cost or we will be short on doctors because they would make less money or offer fewer services. It would work in a socialist environment but that would mean giving up freedoms that some think are owed to them. It also means getting a lot less in the paycheck as some of our Canadian friends here in the forum can attest to.

Clinton did treat women poorly but you have to look at the some of the women you mentioned. Hilary for one! Monica saw an opportunity and went for it and had some fun. The women you mentioned were not blackmailed so blame goes both ways.
On a positive note… if we hadn’t of had all the political mess-ups The Daily Show, The Cobert Report and Saturday Night Live wouldn’t of had much material. They have survived on the media and politics all along and have been successful doing it!

 

So, I don't live in a democracy? lol :flagcanada:

Comrade Keith...care for some borscht and vodka? lol

Most countries with Universal Health care are facing funding problems these days. That is because it was "affordable" when it was first implemented. However, with the rapid advancement in medical sciences the cost of delivery has skyrocketed. Healthcare consumes the vast majority of our provincial budgets today (Healthcare in Canada is provided provincially under a federal mandate).

The ethical dilema's will soon be reached if they haven't already been reached. How far do you go to save a life? When is the cost to great? At what age is the cost no longer justified? Is gender reassignment for trans-sexuals a physical or mental issue? Should a lifetime smoker qualify for a lung transplant? Should overweight, seditary people be given the same healthcare as someone who has spent a lifetime dedicated to a healthy lifestyle?

I think, ultimately, a two-tiered system is inevitable.