Those who are considering nationalizing their car will want to know how much to expect that it might cost, and here are two websites that may be useful: the first is from the aduana itself, and tells you the valuation they will give your used car. Resolución que establece el Mecanismo para garantizar el pago de contribuciones en mercancías sujetas a precios estimados por la SHCP The second allows you to estimate the total costs of nationalization, based on that evaluation. No guessing required! Cotizador de importación de vehículos para paisanos One poster has now written me with details showing that they have successfully used the last website to obtain an estimate of total costs, including all taxes, fees and anticipated brokerage fees. __________________ Selling to another foreigner who has a temporary resident status, and therefore can drive the TIP car, will be more economical than going through the nationalization process (permanent importation): it's expensive enough that many will not think it worth doing, even if their car is eligible.
V, I tried this link again. Actually it was the JeffandShannon one from before. I used a value of $4200 USD and this is what I got. Converted to dollars at the current $12 to $1, this is $3737, or 89% of its FMV. THIS IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ANYONE WITH EVEN HALF A BRAIN. Prevalidación 162.0 DTA 454.0 IGI 28350.0 ISAN 0.0 ISTUV 0.0 IVA 13681.0 Total de contribuciones en Pesos 42647.0 Máximo de Honorarios del Agente Aduanal en Pesos 1200.0 Consulta al historial del vehículo (IVA incluido) 189.0 Inscripción a REPUVE (IVA incluido) 809.19 Total a pagar en Pesos 44845.19
Thanks for posting the detail, T.J. It's a little like having to pay for the car all over again, and for those who've enjoyed years of savings from having a foreign plated car this is not a welcome change. Everybody would like to be free of annual trips to INM, but this wrinkle makes permanent residency just a little less attractive. I'm a little surprised the website didn't tell you the car wasn't eligible for nationalization: I don't know the details but I think Mole may be right in what she said earlier on this point, on another thread, about only those cars between 8-9 years old being eligible. What have you learned on that point, T.J.?
Here's a qualifier on my reference to Mole's observation, written by someone who tries to get to the bottom of most things, and is often (80% plus of the time, as I see it) right. Speaking of those cars which can be permanently imported the most economically, he writes... Those who would like to become permanent residents, but have a TIP car, face a difficult choice- to let their status expire, and reapply for a new run of years as a temporary resident, or give up the TIP privilege. Those who opt for temp residence with probably need to take the car across a border and reimport it, as they will necessarily have a gap in their immigration status. No wonder T.J. is thinking about selling his.... By the way, though old, it is an attractive car in good condition, as I see it. 2002 Ford Escort, right, T.J.?
Right on V. White, V6, 2002 Ford Escape, just went over 100k miles and well maintained by my American friend/mechanic. Kind of like it's owner - Older, but not that old, but attractive and in good condition.
Tristan, as written, it's a little unclear to me who's applying for what. Are you speaking of your wife's application, as it appears you are? Is she applying for permanent residency for the first time? If so, is the application to be based solely on her own resources? Or, is she applying based exclusively, or in part, on your resources? Are these the same resources you are planning to use to support your own application for permanent residency? ____________________
Of course it's about my wife's app. She's applying on her own resources because they haven't allowed dependents for years, at least not for us.They told us years ago that the economic dependent was no longer an option. I realize they now seem to be returning to the dependent thing. However, none of this has to do with the fact that they are now disallowing home ownership. Financial requirements have always been halved for home owners, before. Nothing on this thread addresses this. It seems the thread deteriorated to foreign plated cars right away. We have no problem meeting financial requirements. It's just irritating the way they keep changing the rules and the fact that every office has its own rules. Btw, this "new and improved" INM is a joke. My wife waited for three hours yesterday to get a form.
In case each of you was applying on your own resources, that would require an income stream for each of you, independent of the other, of the sums your wife was told, IF, they required proof of financial resources. That the new law did not require proof of financial resources of those who were merely transitioning from four years of continuous temporary residence here, to permanent residence, was one of the issues I've mentioned on this thread. Since you are well over any potential financial requirements, the advice to seek professional help perhaps needn't apply. The problem that people are running into is the one you mentioned, that even those with more than four years continuous temporary residence are often being required to submit proof of finances- contrary, it seems, to the law. It makes sense, of course, to require this of those who would be granted permanent residence, but it wasn't a feature of the new law: it now seems local offices are attempting to make up for this oversight themselves. That's true, but seems to be moot in your case. I find that a big disappointment, too: some local offices are not requiring proof of financial resources for those who are renewing, just as the law suggests would be the case; others are.... This can produce real hardship for those who have lived successfully here on less, but cannot meet the new, tougher requirements for financial solvency. Now, it seems, they do but the problem is that it only gets the spouse temporary residency; however, for a family that had a TIPS car that wouldn't be all bad (sorry to start the deterioration all over again!). Under the new and improved version you can face some really long waits; but, forms are supposed to be available from the ladies at the desk outside. I don't know if your wife may have asked, there. Dealing with INM can really get under people's skin, and you've been doing it for many years more than me. I'm hoping just one more trip to get my wife permanent residency will get the job done for us: for it to work, they've got to count every year in temporary residence, one of the sticky issues I mentioned on this thread, and yet another area of practice in which the local offices seem to be following different paths, sadly....
I understand this is not an issue faced by Tristan, but it might be useful to others, to consider the following: INM has discretion in making determinations of qualifications for permanent residency; the law does not require proof of financial resources; many people have been living here for years, happily subsisting on smaller resources than are now required of those applying for residency for the first time; some have become very well integrated into the society here, having Mexican friends and speaking Spanish well. It would be unjust to push them out, at this stage, and this is where advocacy comes in.... If I were in the situation I described I would carefully construct a letter laying out these particulars, entirely written by me, in Spanish. I would include all evidence I had of existing resources, and include in this a budget that actually represents my spending from year to year. I would include evidence of where this money had come from, through the years, and letters from Mexican friends describing my adaptation to life here, along with photos. The point is, although they have discretion, which is a plus, they are also human and can be appealed to on this level, as well. There is no reason I can think of that a serious person would accept a statement from a clerk that "X" will be required of an applicant, and take that as a final position: I would consider it to be more important to understand what I could reasonably require of them, and pursue the matter to a successful conclusion.
Other ways to stay in Mexico Elaborating a little more on the theme of dealing with the higher income/asset requirements now in place for residency based on financial self sufficiency, some of those who find themselves unable to meet the new standards, and wanting to remain in Mexico, will have the option of applying for citizenship, at this point. Five years in FM2/Inmigrante status, or two years if married to a Mexican or having Mexican children, will meet the minimum requirement for eligibility. A second route, for those wishing to stay but not yet eligible for citizenship, would be to start a Mexican Company. There would be costs involved in setting it up and maintaining it, but profitability would not be an issue, and it need never actually function as anything other than a legal structure. Owners of Mexican companies are eligible for residence.
