Passing A Healthcare Bill At All Costs

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  1. backs13

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    The one complaint that always comes to mind for me with health care in the US , my grandmother is 80 years old , fought and beat cancer twice, had a breast removed, fights diabetes, my grandfather still works to pay all the medical bills....my uncle god rest his soul passed last year, but while he was alive, he was considered an alcoholic by the state, which they say was a disease, and gave him free everything, he was recieving benefits that my grandmother was turned down for...... Im a proud to be an american, but a disgruntled citizen sometimes....if that makes sense ...
     
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    Please don't take this the wrong way... But how could a person living in another country tell us in the US how bad or good our healthcare system is?

    That is like me saying Canada's healthcare system sucks because a conservative news station told me so...

    Come on.....

    This healthcare bill will be free for those who don't work, refuse to work, illegal immigrants, child molesters, convicted murders and rapists. It's in the bill that Nancy Polasi says, " We have to pass the bill before we know what is in it."

    Congress/Senate/President passed a healthcare bill that 65 % of Americans didn't want. Which will end up costing you and me and increase of 20% or more in premiums. It supports abortion, cut medicare by half a trillion dollars.... I could go on and on. The Bill requires a company with 50 or more employees to provide health insurance to all employees or pay a $750 tax for each employee each year. The problem with that is it is cheaper to pay the tax than to provide insruance. So these businesses will drop your insruance like a rock and then we will be forced to buy gov't insruance. Which will cost 17-20% higher premiums with less benefits. This bill also takes control of all College Student loans from the private sector. The gov't has totally control of whether you go to college or not.
    This bill also allocated $billion to help rehabilitate child molesting Native Americans.

    Obama is now working on giving Amnesty to all illegal immigrants wo will get full healthcare insurance coverages for free.

    He is an admitted Socialist who "despises his white side of his culture." Quoted from an interview. This man is the biggest racist of them all.

    He hired a School safe zcar (Kevin Jennings) who is affiliated with the National Association of the Man-Boy Love. A group of men who thinks it is ok to have sex with little boys and encourages it in his book.

    He hired a Science Zcar who thinks we need forced abortions to kee population down. I could go on and on. Research please.

    This is the most corrupt Gov't I have ever seen. You really need to reserach and investigate this adminsration. If you really knew what he was doing you would be against him too.

    It is no longer George Bush's America, it is Barack Obamas. Can't blame Bush for the terrible injustice this congress and senate is doing now.
     
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    I need to add a few more points... Sorry... But I am angry!!! Like Jim said... I LOVE this Country with all my heart and soul, but I am very disgruntled right now.

    He wants Cap and Trade that will force millions of people out of jobs and energy companies will be forced to increase our premiums on heating and electricity to our homes.

    He wants Federal control of all schools nation wide, so the gov't can tell them what to teach. Is this sounding more and more like a Dictatorship?

    Obama has slapped the face of our Allies and shook hands with our enemies. Cuba, Lybia, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea.... All have expressed accolades to this Idiotic President. He and the President of France has come together to condemn Israel. One of our biggest Allies ever. He has criticzed Canada during an Arctic summit while asking them to stay and help fight in Afghanistan.

    We are heading for the worst economic depression in the history of the world with this man. It is 5th grade math. That simple. His goal is to stomp America to the ground and bring it back up as a communist, marxist, socialist country
    He must be stopped. Vote this guy out in 2012 and vote ALL Democrats out in November.
     
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    Poll: More blame Obama for poor economy, unemployment
    Poll: More blame Obama for poor economy, unemployment - USATODAY.com

    "WASHINGTON — Americans anxious about unemployment and the economy increasingly blame President Obama for hard times, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, amid signs of turbulence in November's midterm elections. Last week's jubilant signing of the health care overhaul, Obama's signature domestic initiative, seems to have given the president little boost. Instead, his standing on four personal qualities has sagged, and 50% of those surveyed say he doesn't deserve re-election."
     
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    I can see why you feel this way, but in fairness many Americans have opinions about other nations based on what they hear and read in the media and word of mouth. It's human nature to form opinions based on the information that is available to us. Canadian's get all the news coverage of America that you get, from you national media. what we are missing and will never fully appreciate is the personal impact that your governments decisions have on you.

    I really believe that most people are basing their opinions totally on what they are fed by the media. If they listen to "right wing" media they are going to hate it and vice versa. Really, the document is thousands of pages long...how many average people have read it? And are able to fully understand it, as well.

    I Googled this. The only references that came up were from ultra right wing blogs. I've listened to many, many interviews with the guy. He sure doesn't sound like a socialist or racist to me.

    This comment strikes me as having the most significance to why Canadian's and others form opinions. What America does affects us all. His war in Iraq cost more than any projection of health care deficit. He went in under the guise of WMD's and then later the story was switched to Saddam was an evil dictator that had to be removed because he was gassing his own people. Africa is full of countries with worse atrocities but neither America, nor Canada or Britain or anyone else is doing anything about that. It's simply because there is no political or economic advantage in doing so.

    In my opinion Obama is an incredibly intelligent and capable man and leader. Time and time again the Republican party has made terrible choices in nominees. Palin? Bush? Quayle?

    Try and imagine how frustrating it is for us that the leaders you choose have such a dramatic effect on the entire world, yet we have no say in who it will be.

    My greatest hope is that the Republican party embraces the concept of separation between church and state once more. If not, the future looks really scary.

    And hey.....are there no Democrats on this board??? Or are they just afraid to say anything?? lol
     
  6. B & B

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    I am not going to comment on the debate surrounding healthcare. I have had plenty of discussions with everyone and know everyone's stance.

    What I do find offensive is the quote above regarding this Kevin Jennings guy as being affiliatated with that man-boy love group thing.

    The people that perpetrated that (Fox News) should be fined and have their balls cut off for that type of crap. They have since apologized: Fox News Correction: False Claims About Kevin Jennings , however what they know happens with irresponsible journalism is that very few people hear the retraction and take the original statement as fact. Not only do people take it as fact, they continue to perpetrate the myth, look at what happened in this instance, someone posted this on a message board. How many other message boards has this been posted on.

    Finally, one of the statements was "do your research", that is what I done, google Kevin Jennings and you find Fox's retraction.

    As far as the Science Czar, John Holden, goes, he does not advocate forced abortions and sterilization for population control. He did research in 1977 surrounding the population explosion, 33 years ago he came to the conclusion that something had to be done and he ran through a list of possible "fixes", including but not advocating the solutions above.

    This is another case of irresponsible journalism grabbing one statement, completely out of context, and making it appear as fact.

    Again, as suggested this was from doing research as suggested.
     
  7. Franco27

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    i do beleive the word is Touche!!!
     
  8. btodde

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    I can throw a bunch of links in to.

    Deficit

    Barack Obama has repeatedly insisted that he inherited the current economic problems and budget deficit from the George Bush deficit. Is that true or is the Obama budget insane? Here is a chart to help clarify where the truth lies. Read about it below.
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    Bush Deficit vs Obama Deficit


    At his prime time press conference, Barack Obama looked straight into his big screen teleprompter and told the American people that he had inherited the Bush budge deficit and was doing all he could to reduced it. As has been his pattern since his inauguration, he has asked the American people for patience while he sorts out the numerous messes left to him by the previous administration.
    Of course, the stock market reached never before seen heights, unemployment was at all time lows and we were rocking along just fine under the Bush administration. That is up until 2006 when the democrats took control of Congress. But why let the facts get in the way of a good repetitive dose of propaganda for the masses?
    In much the same way that Obama stands in front of the cameras and tells the American people that ‘the buck stops’ with him and then turns around immediately and spends his time assigning blame to everyone but himself, he declares that he is doing everything he can to fix the economy while at the very same time, increasing the federal budget to levels few of us could have imagined. He has actually succeeded in having American people talk in terms of trillions of dollars as though those are reasonable sums of money.

    The budget Obama proposes for this year increases federal spending by a fiscally insane 34% over the budget adopted for last year, with a total of $4 trillion in federal spending, the highest EVER.
    But hey, why worry about spending money and incurring trillions of dollars in debt? He can always get more out of working Americans and when he’s bled us all dry, he can just print more money. Its like free money. Doesn’t the government have a big ol’ money printing press deep in the bowels of Fort Knox somewhere? Isn’t it great to have that kind of power!
    The democrats were in an uproar over the national deficit when Ronald Reagan was President. The Obama deficit, in the first year of his presidency, will be 4 times higher than the highest deficit ever reached while Reagan was President. But there’s nary a peep from the howling democrats over this. In fact, on the contrary, they are applauding it. At least the far left democrats are.
    As is apparent from the Bush deficit vs Obama deficit graph above, in the first two months of Obama’s administration, the stimulus package has already contributed to quadruple the deficit. Of course, when Obama claims he’s going to half it by 2013, it could be the sort of sale we find at some of our finer department stores. You know, raise the price, then half it and come off like a hero. Maybe that’s his ultimate plan. Unfortunately, there are people who would actually fall for that. After all, there ARE people who answer the Nigerian email scams.
    There is no question that President George W. Bush did increase the federal deficit to a historic $700 billion through 2008. However, Obama is adding another $1 Trillion to that already historic level. Whatever increases Bush did during his administration, Obama is matching and raising to almost unimaginable levels.
    And we would be remiss not to mention that Bush’s administration had to deal with the budget busting terrorists attacks of 9/11/2001 and the subsequent costly Global War on Terrorism.
    Obama’s budget insanity will increase the public debt by $4.9 Trillion. Staggering. Incomprehensible numbers.
    Regardless of the clearly identifiable facts, Obama persist in insisting that he inherited the deficit and pleads with the public to be patient while he fixes all these problems that have been laid at his feet. Meanwhile, we are being robbed blind.
    Its all about smoke and mirrors and a bit of slight of hand.
    One just wonders how far it will go before the people stand up and demand that it stop and if, by then, it will be too late.

    Kevin Jennings

    Facts hurt Jennings in youth sex controversy | Washington Examiner

    Gay Media Group Muddies Waters Over Kevin Jennings’ Hiding Of Child Sex Crime

    GayPatriot » Kevin Jennings Knew of Harry Hay’s NAMBLA Connections?

    John Holdren

    Obama's science czar suggested compulsory abortion, sterilization | Washington Examiner

    [ame=]YouTube - The Czars - John Holdren

    informationliberation - John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

    PROOF Obama is a Socialist

    UMMMM...

    Socialized HealthCare should be your 1st Aahhaa moment.

    Proof Positive: Obama was a Member of Socialist “New Party” : Stop The ACLU

    Taking over of the Automobile industry
    Cap and Trade
    Obama Supports Socialism – More Proof! « Don’t Get Me Started…

    Obama's book

    Dreams For My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance

    Clearly states his father drive for a Socialist Gov't and that he thrives for his father's African Socialist culture rather than his mother's white.
     
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  9. B & B

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    Todd


    I don't feel like getting into the drivel, those links are all posted from right wing religious articles. Smacks of BS to me, but whatever, go and enjoy your vacation this month, I am sure you will, I leave in two days for ours and will sure enjoy it.

    I was not disputing the deficit, I was not disputing the health care, I was not trivializing how you feel about those two items.

    I was just saying that you are playing into the right wing fear mongering generated and perpetrated and then repeated by yourself and others with regards to the statements I made earlier.

    Kevin Jennings may be many things, but I seriously doubt that he promotes or agrees with NAMBA's philosophies. John Holden did indeed make the statements that you are attributing to him, however, not in the context for which he is being accused.
     
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    I hope you both enjoy your vacations and don't need any healthcare while you are away.....either socialized or private.
     
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