Wow, we have something going here. John - I must respectfully disagree with your one comment that the 'major news networks are extremely conservative." I think the only conservative network is Fox. Certainly not ABC, CBS & NBC, and especially not CNN. The New York Times and Washington Post are historically liberal in their editorials and reporting. Arnold who?? He was certainly outspoken in his beliefs and backed them up by running for Gov. and accepted no salary when he won. But even the Terminator cannot stand up to the Rosie's (who I forgot to mention) and the others. You forgot Reagan, not a bad Pres and a good actor and Gov. Naoautorizada - Wow x 2. A philospher too. I agree with 100% of what you said here. I typically avoid religion, politics and a few other "there are no winners here" topics, especially with friends. And this board is filled with friends, most of whom I have never met, buy many of whom I have. Anyone with opinions on these subjects is probably polarized and you will never win them over, nor will you be convinced that they are right. But it's good clean fun and there may be some fence straddlers out there I really . . ., oh never mind. EVERYONE PLEASE SUPPORT THE IWC FUND RAISER. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MOVIE, MAKE A DONATION. I PROMISE THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO WHEN I RETURN ON THE 9TH. KIM OWES ME A BEER AND A PIECE OF CARROT CAKE.
T.J As I have said i agree most entertainers are liberals. My opinion is that our newsmedia is very conservative. I state that as opinion. If you have fact otherwise please provide. I could give a hoot if Rosie is as liberal as they come I am more focused on how facts are presented to the people. It appears now as if the media simply takes what the govt says and reports it as fact which I find quite scary.
To deny the imperative of relativism would be to imply that one has a perspective of complete omniscience and impartiality. I don't know about you, but I haven't been omniscient since I was in my teens. ;-) Ethnocentrism on the other hand (the application of one's own cultural standards to the assessment of other cultures) - could indeed be (and perhaps has already become) the end of us.
>Now perhaps if you had mentioned his monstrous cooling bills for his >oversized house i would have agreed Actually there's 2 reasons his bill is so high - he has to pay for the power for the gov provided security guards that are living there due to him being an ex VP, and he pays higher than normal kW/H rates because he buys power that has been generated by renewable sources, which costs more where he is than the normal power. Google it.
> I think the only conservative network is Fox. Certainly not ABC, CBS & >NBC, and especially not CNN Well, no argument on Fox - or as it's otherwide known, the WPC - Whitehouse Propaganda Channel, but CNN liberal? Hardly. Have you ever watched Glenn Beck? He's so far right he's almost as nutcase as Limbaugh and Hannity. And let's not forget that some of these so called "liberal" media outlets had news that SHOULD have been made public, but they didn't because they thought it might "influence the election" in 2004. Sheesh. So much for the 4th estate.
T.J., I wish you would have given a proper citatation for the quote. As for the Slate article: I have no objection to anything the author had to say. I'm also not going to get into a positional argument over the merits of Gore's claims, hyperbole included. I think Michael Chrichton has presented a rather logical opposition to Gore's stance and I believe there is much to be learned on the topic from both these respected men and their collective followers. For the moment, the fact that the globe is warming is fairly clear, as is the need to study why and what to do. I'll leave my personal feelings at that. Now on to what I questioned you on. The "stars" you mention and their heavyweight spending do not control Hollywood, the movie business nor the airwaves, for despite their huge worths, fees and salaries they work at the pleasure of grey-suited businessmen whose benefits and salaries dwarf the brightest stars and who report to Boards of Directors and media czars whose names, with the possible exception of Murdoch, you wouldn't recognize. I spent over 30 years working with these suits. They control the business, not the actors. The actors do enjoy huge amounts of money, lots of undeserved influence and the Constitutional protections that we are all entitled to. As far as influence is concerned, I'll put Haliburton up against Streisand any day of the year. I'll also venture the opinion that none of the corporate parents of the studios are reknowned for their liberalism, altruism or charitable works. As promised (or threatened) courtesy of Wiki, here's some enlightenment: Time Warner Inc. is the world's largest media and entertainment conglomerate headquartered in New York City, with major operations in film, television, publishing, Internet service and telecommunications. Among its subsidiaries are Time Inc., AOL, Warner Bros. Entertainment, Time Warner Cable, HBO and TBS (Turner Broadcasting System). Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc. is an American film and television production company, part of the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment, which is a part of Japanese electronics giant Sony. Universal Studios (sometimes called Universal Pictures or Universal City Studios), a subsidiary of NBC Universal, is one of the major American film studios that has production studios and offices located at 100 Universal City Plaza Drive in Universal City, California, an unincorporated area of Los Angeles County between Los Angeles and Burbank. Distribution and other corporate, administrative offices are based in New York City. Universal is the second longest-lived studio in Hollywood (Viacom's Paramount Pictures, Universal's ownership partner of United International Pictures -- which distributes films by Paramount and Universal worldwide -- is the oldest). Sony Pictures Entertainment, Inc. (SPE) is the television and film production/distribution unit of Japan-based media conglomerate Sony. Its group sales in 2005 has been reported to be of $6.6 billion. DreamWorks, LLC (also known as DreamWorks Pictures or DreamWorks SKG) is one of the major American film studios which develops, produces, and distributes films, video games, and television programming. It has produced or distributed more than ten films with box-office grosses totalling more than $100 million. Its most successful title to date is Shrek 2. It began as an ambitious attempt by media moguls Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen to create a new Hollywood studio, but in December 2005, the founders agreed to sell the studio to Viacom, the parent company of Paramount Pictures. The sale was completed in February 2006. DreamWorks' animation arm was spun-off in 2004, into DreamWorks Animation SKG, as such it will remain independent of Paramount/Viacom, however its films will be distributed worldwide by Paramount. Paramount Pictures Corporation is an American motion picture production and distribution company, based in Hollywood, California. Founded in 1912, it is the longest-lived American movie studio. Paramount is owned by media conglomerate Viacom. Viacom (NYSE: VIA) (NYSE: VIAb) is an American media conglomerate with various worldwide interests in cable and satellite television networks (MTV Networks and BET), and movie production and distribution (the Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks movie studios). Sumner Redstone is the Chairman and, through National Amusements' New Viacom Corp.), the parent of Viacom, majority shareholder. The new Viacom is considered to be the "high-growth" side of the much larger former Viacom. The former Viacom was renamed CBS Corporation, from which this firm was split off on December 31, 2005. CBS, not Viacom, retains control of the over-the-air broadcasting, TV production, and publishing assets formerly owned by the larger company. However, National Amusements remains the common majority shareholder of both firms. Miramax Films is a film production and distribution brand that was a Big Ten film motion picture distribution and production company headquartered in New York City before being bought out by The Walt Disney Company. It was considered an important studio for many years after Disney's acquisition. 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Animated feature films produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios (formerly Walt Disney Feature Animation), Pixar Animation Studios, and DisneyToon Studios are usually assigned the Walt Disney Pictures banner upon their release, though the rare exceptions are Who Framed Roger Rabbit and The Nightmare Before Christmas which both were assigned the Touchstone Pictures label upon their original releases in 1988 and 1993. Capital Cities Communications (sometimes referred to as "CapCities") was an American media company best known for its surprise purchase of the much larger American Broadcasting Company in 1985. NBC (an acronym for National Broadcasting Company) is an American television network headquartered in the GE Building in New York City's Rockefeller Center. It is sometimes referred to as the Peacock Network due to its stylized peacock logo. 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In November 2006, producer/actor Tom Cruise and his production partner, Paula Wagner, signed an agreement with MGM to run United Artists as well as acquire a small stake in the studio.[1] Wagner will serve as United Artists' chief executive officer while Cruise will produce and star in films for UA, which will continue to be distributed by MGM. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc., or MGM, is an American media company, involved primarily in the production and distribution of films and television programs. From the end of the silent film era through World War II, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer was the most prominent motion picture studio in Hollywood, with the greatest output of all of the studios: at its height, it released an average of one feature film a week, along with many short subjects and serials. A victim of the massive restructuring of the motion picture industry during the 1950s and 60s, it was ultimately unable to cope with the loss of its theater chain (due to the Paramount decrees), and the power shift from studio bosses to independent producers and agents. On April 8, 2005, the company was acquired by a partnership led by Sony and Comcast in association with Texas Pacific Group (now TPG Capital, L.P.) and Providence Equity Partners. Sony Pictures Entertainment will distribute several MGM/Sony (with either Columbia or TriStar Pictures) co-productions - most notably Casino Royale - but outside of the co-productions MGM is now actively involved in acquiring worldwide film rights and distributing theatrical motion pictures domestically. 20th Century Fox will be handling the international theatrical distribution and worldwide home video distribution of MGM titles. The MGM logo has been the same since 1957 to present. 20th Century Fox's history is just too complex and long. 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Growing up in Indiana and still to this day I hear about the Liberal media bias. I have never seen it. In fact after living in Mexico for 4 years, working in an intl environment now I see our media as extremely close minded, and simply accepting our leaders word. I don't believe that we should have constant controversy but, if so much was made over clinton's supposed oral sex I would think we could have more discovery about what is going on with our country today. I was raised a conservative, as a young man I was for no reason than being young a liberal. I think our country U.s. is being manipulated by excellent conservative media experts and the democrats are constantly being out politicked. There is no reason the repubs should be re-elected with the overall dissatisfaction with Bush but, I am convinced they will find a way to lose (the demos).
The costs of a complicit media http://www.youtube.com/v/aUCyr3B3IlM http://www.youtube.com/v/l0OyihqYfF4
Hmmm... Greetings, I thought I would chime in for the sheer fun of it... I think it p-r-e-t-t-y obvious that there are some stong feelings on the subjects that have been discussed on this particular thread. I think the the group has every right to show the film... I think every person has the right to decide to support the group in said showing just as they have the right to decide not to support the same. I am not a scientist... so I don't know if human beings are the cause of the recent warming of the earth or not. I don't think that anyone disagrees that the temps have, indeed, gone up the last few decades... I think there *is* some legitimate debating going on in the scientific community as to the exact cause(s). I will leave that to them. That being said, I *do* think we can agree that it is probably a really bad idea to poison our air and water with chemicals, that we should try to do this as little as possible, and that we should keep looking for ways to produce and run things in the least harmful (to the environment) ways... As to the "liberal media..." I don't think one could (successfully) dispute that most journalists are left-leaning. This has been shown time and again, but that doesn't, necessarily, mean that the reporting of the facts is selective in a way that leans left. I agree with this NPR author: http://216.35.221.77/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1919999 I think that right-leaning folks have ruled the airwaves (as far as news commentators go anyway) for quite some time. I think people get too upset about these issues during these discussions and they seem move quickly to personal attacks... I don't see the point of that. Take care all! Chris
