here's the latest... BBC News - Obama defends right to build mosque near 9/11 site and something else to puruse at your leisure - wahhabism was taken from Saudi and taught (in a more extreme form) to the young men of Afghan back during the soviet war (as they are ill educated, this is all they know) - with UN backing, ironic huh! Wahhabi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lovely..... Was it Bin Laden who brought that from Saudi? This is my biggest problem with Islam. Christianity has is extremes, as well. But they don't compare to the extremes that Islam can go to.
A lot of it too is conditioning.. the majority of people in that part of the world are taught from a VERY early age that non-Muslims are evil. For example I have a friend from Lebanon.. and even though he is well educated and worldly whenever anything happens his first response is to accuse "the Jews" of being responsible or that its a "Jew conspiracy" even when its clear (to me at least) that it couldn't be... this I feel is a result of his early upbringing, and even though he is much older now, its still in his basic beliefs because he was repeatedly taught it at such a young age. What's ironic is that he actually has Jewish friends, but dispite that he still let's those remarks slip from time to time... If you are taught from birth that everyone on Side A is right no matter what and everyone on side B are monsters, and that you'll be greatly rewarded in the afterlife if you help to eliminate side B.. there isn't much room for "understanding and tolerance" in your world. This sadly is the reality in many Muslim countries. They preach hate and blame towards non-Muslims everyday and severely punish (ie:kill, torture, imprison) anyone who would say otherwise.
Well, sadly, that is one of the basic principles of the Islamic religion - Muslims believe that only their religion shall prevail and 'non believers' (Kafirs) should be put to death. And that's not a "radical" Muslim view, it's fundamental to their religion. This way of thinking is instilled in kids at a very early age in many Muslim countries: [ame="&feature=related"]YouTube - Hamas TV 'Mickey Mouse' teaches Islamic Supremacism Tolerance for people of other cultures and religions is a fine thing... as long as they don't want to bury you up to your neck and throw rocks at your head when (not if) they get into power.
How is this for peace, love, tolerance and understanding; Should they be allowed to build the Mosque, I think this is a great idea: Open a Gay Bar on one side and on the other end a Pork BBQ joint as bookends. Surely, the Imam would not say opening a Gay Bar and Pork BBQ is provocative so close to a Mosque, now would he? :xyxthumbs: Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/gregg-gutfeld-says-he-plans-to-open-gay-bar-next-to-mosque-dpgoha-20100811-fc_9115661Gutfeld also posted his plans on his blog, The Daily Gut , "I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere Desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space. This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance." Gutfeld said his reasoning for opening the gay bar is twofold: first, to break down barriers of homosexual phobia, as the Muslim faith does not accept the homosexual lifestyle. And second, to make a point that if Muslim's are truly building the mosque for outreach, then they can understand why he is opening up his gay bar to reach out to Muslim gay men. :aktion033:
The entire Afghan - Soviet conflict was a mess... USA(amongst others...) supported the mujahideen in the fight against the Soviet forces. Cant remember the amount mentioned, but Im quite sure it was in the billions ($US)... Its "funny" how they went from "freedom fighters"(when supported by USA and fighting the Soviet invaders) to "terrorists"(when fighting the USA invaders)... Im sure Bin Laden is quite thankful for all the cash, equipment, training and weapons...
rdubnpk So, you think this is the first time the US has backed a dictator only to eventually turn their back on them and/or worked to depose him?? The most recent in a long and illustrious list is Sadam Hussein. And speaking of turning our backs, had the US invested of a few million dollars here and there for education and the rebuilding of Afghanistan after the Russians were kicked out, they would probably have remained pro-American and we would not be fighting this war. And speaking of pro-American, the outpouring of support for the US after the horrendous events of 9/11 was nearly universal. Had we done the right things at that point in history, I think our (the US) image would have remained positive in the long term and world-wide assitance to fight the growth of the terrorist factions would have been ours for the asking. Instead, we invaded Iraq.
rdubnpk: I know its not the first, I just used it as an example, when someone mentioned Bin Laden I do remember reading in school about the Contras in Nicaragua, right wing militias in Colombia etc. Its a dirty game, thats for sure. My old neighbor in Melbourne(a former military, American.) "joked" about the so called WMD`s and said: "How to find them? Look for the ones WE gave him.." I agree with what you write, well put.
rdubnpk Obama is about to catch hell for his backing of the mosque near ground zero. His arguement is, if it would be OK to build a church near ground zero, if it would be OK to build a synagogue near ground zero, if it would be OK to build a building supporting any other kind of religion near ground zero, then how can we as Americans deny the right for a mosque to be built near that site with the only justification for that denial being we don't like that particular religion and/or the actions of some of its believers. Say what you will, argue until you are blue in the face, but you can't deny the strength of that arguement. Everything you do sets precedence and has consequences. Who is to say as the years pass and situations may reverse that it is not your religion being denied.
