That is bizarre. Did you know anything about it or not 'til later? The two women who the AG allegedly blames have their own website. www.mexicoinjustice.ca The way the Mexico authorities are portrayed in the media, they might just as well have blamed it on alien intervention as these women. They're mightily p***ed. It's completely disrupted their lives.
I've been following this story as Moon Palace is so near and dear to my heart. According to what I've read recently, he was airlifted home last night. Drs in Mexico reported that he is 100% brain dead and the family will persue a second opinion in Canada. If that is the case, they want to ensure they can donate his organs. Latest I've seen is this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070510.wmexico10/BNStory/National/home This article tells a very detailed but totally different account from what the family is saying. With all due respect to the family, this latest article makes slightly more sense to me as someone who has been to Moon Palace many times and knows how it is layed out. I agree that the second story isn't that high, but there are many railings, corners, cement stairs, etc. The family says security was chasing him. Perhaps true with the intent to prevent him from hurting himself? Tragically, this wasn't the outcome. Add velocity and mis-judgment to that fall and what do you have? In the early accounts, it was never mentioned by the family that he was highly intoxicated and that THEY encouraged him to call it a night with one of them escorting him to his room on one of the many back and forth occasions. A distraught grieving family member could be grasping for answers they can accept. Anger is an easier emotion to tolerate then grief and regret. For the family's sake, let's hope the Canadian doctors can determine if his injuries could have been the result of a fall, or if the family's accounts of what happened are more acccurate. I can be a keyboard jurors until the cows come home, but we will never know all the facts. Regardless, I'm deeply saddened for the family.
No, I did not know anything at the time. The hotel staff knew and they let many many guests load buses and leave for the airport. I know that they do not want to stop people that are trying to catch planes but... I do know someone that was still staying after we left and she told me that the hotel staff became very quiet after the incident. News papers that were always in the lobby, were never there after the incident because they did not want the guests to see the reports. Bartenders that were very friendly with us prior to the murders - did not say a word to my friends after the incident. 75% of the guests did not know what happened. They knew someone "died" but did not know that it was a double homicide. I understand the situation that the hotel was in but if that were my family members I would have wanted more of an investigation, more concern about my family and less concern about their business. It was common knowledge that the sliding glass doors did not lock properly. I believe that was the #1 complaint of guests. I knew this before I got there and requested a room on the highest floor. On 2 seperate occasions an employee walked right in to my room without knocking to fill the fridge!!!! I should have had the latch on the door but I did not and that is what I got. After the second time, I latched it everytime not matter what. That pissed me off. During my stay, there were a ton of workers around the resort because the new side had just opened. There is a lot more but no sense in going on and on about it. I like the hotel itself but there were a few things that just weren't right. It is nice and they have an AWESOME beach. EB
No, I did not know anything at the time. The hotel staff knew and they let many many guests load buses and leave for the airport. I know that they do not want to stop people that are trying to catch planes but... I understand the situation that the hotel was in but if that were my family members I would have wanted more of an investigation, more concern about my family and less concern about their business. There is a lot more but no sense in going on and on about it. I like the hotel itself but there were a few things that just weren't right. It is nice and they have an AWESOME beach. EB[/quote] You're right. The reactions were way off by our standards. Probly the poor hotel staff had the fear of God put into them not to talk about it. Regardless of the perps, we know there's psychos in Canada- the US, Mexico, and Timbuktu (for that matter) It's too bad things were handled the way they were. I think maybe the 'percieved' cover up (in both instances) is doing more harm than good.
Oh thank goodness for the Globe and Mail, the Sun is all crazy about the "beating". Right from the start it sounded like a drinking accident to me, why on earth would he be beaten so badly? What could possibly provoke that? Yes, it's a tragedy, but he had been kicked out of the bar for being too intoxicated, how often does that happen in Mexico? He must have been really, really drunk for them to do that, drunk enough to fall down a few flights of stairs for sure. With the exception of the Ianeiros, the incidents have all involved alcohol. Personal responsibility is forgotten about by the press, they just want to attack the Mexican authorities as it's scandalous and sells papers.
I do believe that the incident at the Moon was probably alcohol. I just can't see security guards doing that on the resort property. We will never really know all the facts but that is my take on it.
These infortunate incidents are aggravated by statements that are supported by a lack of facts. The wife/family says he was beaten. The staff says it was an alcohol/ substance related accident. An autopsy and blood tests will help to resolve many of these questions. Perhaps it would be worth waiting to see what the facts are before wading in with opinions.
Maybe I just do not want to believe that somebody would do that to another person. Either way, it is very sad.
Steve - Enjoy the play-offs mate I had the best day of my entire life when wolves were at the play-off final 2003, I hope Forest make it always had a soft spot for Forest, because of Cloughy and Pearce in fact Pearce was my idol as a youngster and modeled my own style of play like his in my playing days .. I mentioned to Daz I'm going to try and round up the lads for the Dady Rock night, just depends how tired we all feel, one of mates is a postman so his body clock will be all over the place first couple of days I reckon. On topic Steve - Your quite right thanks for putting it into perspective... Nights out in Walsall are like battle zones most weekends once kick-out times at the clubs come round so much so that rarely do I venture in to town... Venture into the more relaxed places like Cannock and Lichfield for me fun these days :wink: I think the apprehensiveness comes because I'm on foreign soil so to speak, I mean I wouldn't think twice of watching Wolves play Millwall, Leeds or Cardiff at there grounds which can be hell on earth but I would go without a blink of the eye... But it would seem to me that Canadian press are quick to point the finger based on previous cases before really checking the facts... I mean ask your self this why would someone make various shuttle runs between room and nightclub over an evening??? Come on maybe once for a camera but several something doesn't add up
Mexican embassy statement on Jeff Toews A statement issued Wednesday by the Mexican embassy on the case of Albertan Jeff Toews May 10, 2007 at 7:26 PM EDT Editor's note: The text is reproduced here without corrections for grammar or spelling. The Embassy of Mexico wishes to inform about the circumstances of the accident suffered by the Canadian national Jeffrey Toews in Cancun on May 7, 2007, based on the information gathered and provided by the Office of the Attorney General of the State of Quintana Roo. 1. On May 7, 2007, Preliminary Investigation AP/ZN/CAN/01/01/2195/5-2007 was initiated upon receiving notification by fax from the Hospital de las Americas, in Cancun, reporting that a patient by the name of Jeffrey Toews had arrived in an ambulance of the Mexican Red Cross, proceeding from the Moon Palace Hotel; the patient had arrived in cardio-respiratory arrest, with possible severe craneo-encephalic trauma and blunt abdominal trauma. 2. On the same date, at 7:46 pm, Mr. Toews' wife, Ms. Natalie Ivonne Campbell, appeared, assisted by interpreter Ángel Prieto Palmeros. Ms. Campbell stated that the victim and she had been in the company of some friends at the disco of the Moon Palace Hotel, hanging out and drinking alcoholic beverages until approximately 1:30 am, when one of the security guards came up to her husband and told him that he should leave the disco, since he had drunk too much. Therefore the couple decided to head to their room with a hotel security guard following them until they entered their room. Ms. Campbell stated that as she had also been drinking alcohol, she fell deeply asleep. 3. According to the statement of one of the friends travelling with the couple, at approximately 1:50 am, Mr. Toews showed up again at the disco, which is why the friend told the rest of the group that he would accompany Mr. Toews back to his room so that he would not have problems with the hotel. When he turned around again Mr. Toews was gone, so he left looking for him, heading toward his room to see if he was there. When he arrived at Mr. Toews' room, Mr. Toews was closing the door and said goodnight, so both the friend and a security guard left, heading for the restaurant since the friend's wife and other companions were there. The aforementioned friend stated that at about 2:20 am, Mr. Toews showed up again and sat down at the table, leaving again two minutes later at the urging of the rest of the companions. 4. According to the statement of one of the security guards, he was on the grounds of the hotel working at approximately 3:00 am and noticed that about forty meters from where he was standing, a male in underwear was standing inside the balcony of a room. Since he had caught the security guard's attention, the guard stopped to see what the individual would do. This same person climbed over the glass balcony onto the grass, outside the boundaries of his room. The individual took a step and then suddenly took off running toward the building to his left (Toronja building). 5. An other security guard and a bell boy travelling in a golf cart near the Toronja building saw that a guest was running along the second story of the building near the elevators, so the guard told the bell boy to stop, and they both got out of the cart. The guard told the bell boy that he was going to check to see who this individual was. He climbed the stairs to the second floor of the Toronja building, looked down the hall and saw no one. He walked in the direction in which he had seen the person run, and seconds later, from distance of twenty or thirty metres, he heard a loud thud. When he reached the stairs he descended to the first floor, this being at the opposite side of the same building, and upon reaching the bottom looked right and left but saw no one. When he turned around partially, however, he saw a guest, who turned out to be Mr. Toews, lying on the floor, bleeding from the head, and immediately radioed the security guards' control room to have them call an ambulance. 6. On May 8, 2007, the Director of the Hospital de las Americas was instructed to provide the Attorney General's Office with a copy of the clinical file of Jeffrey Toews. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070510.wtoewsprobe0511/BNStory/Front Obviously this is the other side to the story and would IMO make logical sence
