Did anyone ask the bull if this non torture is a good way of life? I bet you would not like to be tortured in the manner they torture the bull for the way of life for someone else. Sorry I saw a bull fight one in my life and that was a bit too much for me. So you are aware its not that they kill one bulre, but after the first bull is killed they kill another bull and another so many animals die for the pleasure of a very few.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to equate taking an animal for food chain supply with the inflicting of abuse for the primary purpose of people's amusement. You know that it is possible to harvest an animal humanely, right? Btw, my father in law was a butcher for more than 40 years, but I doubt that he would see any similarities between his trade and the abuse of animals for fun. (Some of us are actually athletes so let's not call this a sport.)
I also don't consider shoplifting equal to murder, though they are both crimes. equating rodeo or bull fighting to forced female mutilation frankly demeans those women who've been victimized. The English had Fox hunts for a very long time, though that is largely (if not totally gone). Bull fighting is dying out too. Most people don't want to see it, and the place it had in Spanish (and Mexican) culture is dying out. The real question that I consider when I think about it is, why? Its not like someone woke up one day and thought, "it would be cool to exhaust a bull and then kill it with small swords, in front of people, as entertainment.". With rodeo events, I know that these were meant to be a skill competition for real life cowboys. I'm simply curious as to what bull fighting story is. I think personally you're going too far in your comparisons to other horrible things people do to each other. And yes I will pick a human over an animal, 10 times out of 10
Many cultures have traditions, whether they are right or wrong in our opinions. We can choose to respect them or not based on our own personal view points. Bull fighting has been around for centuries in many countries... here is a link for those who wish to know some of the history about bull fights. Mexico File's Articles
Whens the last time you were in a pig farm, ? a commercial chicken cope?, a puppy mill? theses are in our own country's. We should clean up our cruelties before judging others in there own country. The bulls in Mexico roam free until the day of their slaughter/murder. Animals raised in our meat factories never see daylight, some can't even turn around in their small pens, chickens are so close together you cant even see the ground. I still think its wrong but what they do legally in their country is not for me to judge.
Earlier in this thread, you acknowledged and agreed with the statement that "in different parts of the world there are cultures that do things that are different and even grotesque compared to our own", but that even so, you still "respect the tradition of it". But I'm confused why you choose to discount traditions that have taken place on this planet for hundreds, or perhaps thousands of years. In respect to female circumcision, your knowledge of such is fundamentally incorrect. You use words like "victim", and "forced" and "mutilation". But what if the so-called victims don't really feel like they've been victimized, or mutilated or forced to do anything against their will? And what if all of those things are in fact perpetrated and perpetuated in large part by women themselves? Will you step up to the plate in support of tradition then? The obvious answer here is that you aren't defending tradition in and of itself, but rather traditions that meet with your sense of morality. In other words, abuse of animals is ok, whereas the perceived abuse of humans is not. The fact that bullfighting, or any animal baiting for that matter, is illegal in almost every developed nation in the world tells me that we probably have got it right on this one, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Anyway, I think that for anyone who is curious about bullfighting, they should go and see it. Seriously. Bring the wife and even the kids if possible. They may just see it as a wonderful cultural experience...or, they might be reduced to tears at the bloody brutality of it, traumatized for life. But hey, it's tradition....lol.
The difference is we have legal standards in Canada that provide or are meant to provide at least some semblance of humane treatment to animals. So your comparison to stabbing the shit out of an animal for sheer amusement and entertainment carries no weight.
Sorry, just caught this. I really like how everyone claims to be so non-judgemental. In fact, it seems to be kind of the new buzz word. Maybe I can present the other side for moment. Is it possible that it's this lack of judgement that is turning our society into shit? Let's use your standard above. At least a few countries in south east Asia are well know for sex tourism. Many westerners go to these countries to have sex with children, and to be able to do so with impunity. In many cases the local police and other authorities are complicit in enabling the act. But let us not judge sick old men raping children, right? The old adage applies particularly well here, that when you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.
