Drewbert You responded to Ian's post within 6 minutes. He posted at 1:00 and you posted at 1:06. In between this you also posted to another reply, again with quoting something. Now Ian supplied you with a newspaper article, are you telling me that within 6 minutes you read Ian's reply, read his newspaper clipping, then responded to another quote while formulating and considering your response to Ian's and then typed it out. Man you are quick. C'mon, you are the king of quotes, I assume that you expect people to read them and consider them in order to have a proper debate. Do you not do the same?? I would expect that in order to maintain any veracity of decorum you would give the same consideration to others that you expect in return. In various posts you have accused others of sticking their heads in the sand and not considering other points of view. Are you any different?