Discussion in 'Free For All' started by MandEOntario, May 20, 2020.
Any data to support this speculation?
I answered in the other thread but it wouldn't post.
Yucatan, Chiapas, and QROO have very, very little tests or facilities to perform said tests. The healthcare was awful before CVID. They simply don't have the testing capabilities to confirm. Kidney failure, strokes, and pneumonia aren't counted towards the totals, three of the most damaging results of infection. There are almost no testing facilities. Once you start considering the little pueblos, records are sketchy at best.
Factor in a heavy, heavy push by the tourism industry, and Mexicos economy as a whole, they have every motivation to not change their current diagnostic criteria. They need American dollars. Tourism staples all over the peninsula are going bottom-up, and the rest is scared.
I'm not looking to get into an argument here. We both live here, we both have different perspectives on statistics etc. It's good you provide this data, it's extremely valuable. There are just some contextual things missing that you a) dont really need to provide and b) no one wants to be nervous going to TTR. I dig it. Maybe we will grab a beer in Valladolid and meet in the middle.
Unfortunately for people in the rest of QROO, the hotel zone will be as safe a place to go as anywhere else - it's where they are focusing their efforts. So I have no concerns of TTR
The other thread was closed because I'd prefer it to be a running update where people can follow consecutive official stats without branching off into tangents. There are other threads like this one to discuss specifics.
I do understand what you are saying, and agree to a certain extent. However, I tend to be a statistics guy and there really aren't any stats to support it. I get it that the Govt stats may not be accurate, but people in every country in the World have similar accusations for their own country's stats.
As for testing I can't speak for the situation in Merida, but here in Cancun there are three separate places I could get a test tomorrow within a mile of my house. It does cost a couple of thousand Pesos, so yes not everyone would or could pay that. Most would if early diagnosis potentially saved their life.
Would it be too far of a stretch to say people are not getting tested because they don't think they have it?
Yeah the public healthcare is generally poor and under resourced, but has still not got above 30% capacity of what they do have. The private healthcare exceeds many countries.
We don't really have many of the little pueblos in the Northern part of QR that you have in Yucatan. In the South part yes, but not so much up here. The Southern part - Chetumal, Felipe Carillo Puerto, José María Morelos has more of the pueblos, and they do have worse statistics - and are on the State's Red traffic light (increasing) while we are Orange (stabilised).
Between my wife, myself, and my kids we know hundreds of people in Cancun. None of us know anyone personally who has had the virus, let alone died from it. The closest I can get is my wife's brother who has an acquaintance, not a close friend, who died. That's the general degree of separation of the virus here.
Read some reports and you'd expect there were bodies piling up on the streets, that's far from the case. There was a large capacity temporary mortuary built in Cancun, it hasn't been used yet.
2329 confirmed cases out of a population of 1.5 Million means 1 in 644 have had the virus. 454 deaths out of the same population means 1 in 3,303. It's not surprising we don't know anyone directly - especially considering this part of the State has lower incidence per capita than other parts.
There is a push for tourism to return, of course. Tourism comprises 50% of the economy here and as such is deemed an essential service. With the rigorous certification and strict sanitation measures in places at hotels they are likely the safest places to be for anyone in or out of the State.
We are going tomorrow
Nah.. I wassnwasn't throwin' rocks at WSJ (and no I'm not a subscriber as it's not my thing, it could be written in Hebrew for all I understand about it), I was asking why that info was only seeming to be being distributed by them, the WSJ, and not.... pick an outlet?
Or, it could be that, since the vast majority of generalized infections end up being asymptomatic or quite mild, folks could be simply opting to wait & see if they get signs/symptoms that start getting serious in a hurry. If the signs/symptoms ARE mild, they (Doc policy) just send you home with instructions as to how best to "take care of yourself." Then, if you got worse, they'd have you come in and give you a test.
Perhaps that's why lots of people aren't getting tested. To me, it's like being tested for the flu in December when someone in the office comes down with it... but I'm not feeling anything. I've been exposed, I don't know if I've got anything, and even if I did get infected, my superhuman constitution might kick the crap out of the bug just like it does to literally millions of such attacks/infections each year. *shrug* Is that "dumb?" I don't know for certain, but it seems logical.
Lots of people getting tested around the US now in all these places and gee... lots more people testing positive. I'm trying to figure out which model That premise fit into back in March and front-half April.
A test here costs 3500 pesos, waaaaay above the reach of most ppl here. You're right, the Yucatan has what seems like a million pueblos, so that probably clouds my opinion. Here, it's mostly the poor affected.
What is an outlet? The WSJ reports news. The story is news worthy. Do you think the WSJ only publishes articles related to market news?
The WSJ is like any other newspaper. It reports on current events, market news, politics, opinion, editorials and even arts and a great sports section. I appreciate their journalism because a lot of their articles are data driven. For example the one I posted is very data driven and it also provides a dataset that counters the ones the story leads with to demonstrate bias was considered.
You are missing my point. I am asking "why other outlets are not giving out the same story." I'm not saying the WSJ is not a valid media source.
An "outlet" is any media source. "Other outlets" would be someone other than the Wall Street Journal. I do not understand why that is hard to follow.
As for my comment on spin to make their own perspective "fit" I would think that all I would need do is point at some factual situation in the past couple of decades, then go see how CNN reports the situation and how Fox News does... and possibly compare both with the BBC, as an example. It seems like you took my comment as a shot at the WSJ as a news outlet, which it wasn't. It's actually a question as to why that story is not getting more.. air time for lack of a better term, since "inches" from old school newspapers doesn't seem to chime in people's minds the same any longer.
I can’t say why CNN or other cable news networks are not airing the same metrics, I don’t produce those shows. If I had to guess, it’s not possible to deliver a story that has complex data sets with a complete analysis before you have to air 5 minutes of pharmaceutical commercials.
I’ve recently watched them (cable news) for the first time in a long time (10 years). It’s so strange, all that visual simulation, moving graphics, sound effects, fast rotating topics, A situation room, what? It’s like watching a broadway musical.
It seems that if you can’t fit a story in between the same viagra commercials and hold the attention of someone off their A.D.D medication it’s not gonna happen on that format.
It’s 2020, you either pay for good journalism or you let someone sell your eyeballs and clicks to advertisers, that’s all that seems to be, you won’t keep coming back to boring and dry stories about metrics collected and the analysis done on them when you can get a brain blowjob from cable news lol.
/rant pardon any typos