Okay so we have this big discussion about voter registration cards. The Republicans say it will eliminate voter fraud. The Democrats claim that there is no voter fraud. They go on to say that voter ID cards discriminate against the poor because they have no way to go to a central place to get their voter cards. Hmmm, now don't they have to go somewhere to register for welfare, food stamps, free cell phones, free clothes, unemployment benefits, free home heating, social security disability, cigarettes, lottery tickets, and booze? If they can go to a central place for the freebies then why can't they go to a central place for a voter ID card? What am I missing here?
The lazy portion of the population is part of the problem, but I'm sure you know that there are just as many underemployed or very low wage workers for whom the time to line up for one of those cards isn't really an option. Assuming that all poor people are lazy welfare bums is a pretty sad commentary too. I'm sure you didn't really mean that but your post sure comes off that way. Besides as large a change this would be for many jurisdictions wouldn't it make sense to only make these changes for 4 years down the road? Bureaucracy has great inertia. Making a big change now would seem to be difficult in time for November...
Dos, I understand what you are saying, but here in the US there is a huge population that just simply suck off the system. I'm not talking about those that can't take care of themselves, but rather, those that won't take care of themselves. This whole voter registration flap is crock from what I can see. They can get out for other "freebies" then they can get out to get a voter registration card. Dos, here in the US we have created a whole new class of purchased voters. The "Vote for me and I'll give you free stuff" mantra is huge here. Let me give you an example. Some idiot came up with the idea that people on public assistance are entitled to a free cell phone. Now the operative word there is entitled. Some people get seven and eight of these phones and every month they get an extra 250 minutes courtesy of the US taxpayer. Sorry but that is just plain wrong. Now who do you think these people are going to vote for? Yep, the folks who give them free stuff. So who's going to give them free stuff when the money runs out?
I think the root of the problem might be overlooked. Maybe it's not people don't have time to line up. As you said, they line up for many other things, because all those things are worth lining up for. If you can't be relevant enough to make people care, don't expect them to line up.
Actually they are saying that it will affect the poor because they really don't have a way to prove who they are. They don't have birth certificates, they don't have drive licenses, nothing. So if they were required to show that they are who they are, they wouldn't be allowed to vote. Surprised the shit out of me the number of locations that all you have to do is walk up and say I live at 234 Main Street, and they sign you up to vote and you cast a ballot. You've heard the expression, vote early and vote often! Well that's how it's done. I could go to every voting place in the area and vote again. That is also what the Obama supporters did in several locations when they went out to increase voter registration. They signed people up to vote and had them cast their ballot at the same time. Lots of famous people voted in several states and people used their names to register and vote. No ID required. Jamie
Lets call a spade a spade. Dead beets who cant figure out how to or are too lazy register to vote are the Democrat base hence the resistance to voter registration. And IMO in most cases people chose to be poor. And in America there are very few people who are truly poor.
The question here is not about just registering to vote. The issue is that some states have instituted a voter ID card to eliminate, or at least reduce, the likelihood of voter fraud. For the most part these are southern states with Republican majorities in their Legislatures. The argument against this practice is that it would be too hard on the poor who can't get out to get the voter ID card. The argument that the anyone does not have sufficient enough identification to prove that they are citizens means that legally they should not be allowed to vote anyway. As to the argument that they can't or shouldn't have to go somewhere to get a voter ID card, that doesn't even make sense when they have to go to a central location to sign up for public assistance. My point is that the argument against the voter ID card is just a nonsense argument to allow voter fraud to continue and it certainly does exist.
I don't understand the whole arguement about not showing ID to vote. I just saw a news story that stated that high school kids would have to show some form of government photo ID to take the ACT/SAT tests. If kids can come up with ID, ( I know, every kid has a fake ID) why can't the adults?
Why go to the extra expense and complexity of a specific card for voting? Shouldn't some combination of a passport, birth certificate, drivers licence, or any other government issued ID be more than enough to allow a person to vote? Re-inventing the wheel and such...:banghead:
