Virginia massacre...

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  1. Mr Bigglesworth

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    Heard a statistic on the radio the other day...In the UK, every year 1 per 1 million people in the population is killed as a result of gun crime: In the USA that figure is 44 per 1 million.I'm sure my friend Steve would agree that it is on the rise in England and since "The Troubles" ended in N ireland it is virtually non-existent.

    Correct me if i'm wrong, but the "Right to bear arms" bullshit in the US constitution was put in there when Wyatt Earp was a naughty thought in his father's mind and when swing doors were on saloon bars. Has it any relevance in this day and age? I also heard that people are restricted to only buying one gun a week from a store (Hello?) and all you need is I.D. Whilst guns will always be available on the black market to those who want to use them for evil...isn't it time to at least have to go through some qualification process...I mean this guy bought a Glock!!! What for? Rabbit hunting?

    I know whoever makes this amendment would lose votes from the "gun lobby"...but how many more Virginia's, Columbine's, Washington Snipers and Pennsylvania's have to happen before the penny drops? I heard some guy trying to make a case that if the students had had guns they could have defended themselves...Duh!!!

    Hope noone on the board or their nearest and dearest were affected and if so I apologise for any offence caused...Just riled by this...even 1000's of miles away.
     
  2. 4biddenpleasrs

    4biddenpleasrs I can choose my own title Registered Member

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    I looked up the "right to bear arms" once... and I found that it's actually missquoted all the time.

    The Second Amendment

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Everyone always forgets the well regulated Militia part. The way I read this only groups that have organized themselves and been regulated by the government have the right to keep and bear arms.

    But it seems to have been interpreted very very freely.
     
  3. Mr Bigglesworth

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    I agree dude...Too many people toting guns, thinkin it makes them into a man...must've offended...39 views so far 1 reply...Why can't they change it? Surely some of it has been changed before now?
     
  4. Michael F.

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    Seems every article of the Bill of Rights has been stretched more and more to include all manner of things. The greatest abuses in my mind are for the so-called "right to privacy" and the outrageous stuff supported by "freedom of expression".

    I haven't done the research as am too tired right now nearing the end of this workday to do it, but aren't there two ways to change any part of the Constitution? Or is it just one, with all/most of the states' endorsement?
     
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    I agree with ya bud, I know it's another Brit here trying to tell you whats right and wrong


    But... we have about 1/5th of your population yet a much more minimal fraction of deaths per population....

    Because guns aren't readily available..this right to bear arms law..is crazy and when will the government realise that the everyday american doesn't need a gun but the everyday criminal uses them as an aid in their crime

    And these pro gun people enrage me...what do you need a gun for?

    I mean hunting is no longer necessary as you can eat anything buy going to the store....

    An outdated law that gets thousands killed every year
     
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    I was raised in a house with atleast one gun in each room. One under the bed, one under the couch, one in the kitchen and over a dozen locked away in a gun cabinet. Growing up it was normal to me. As an adult - I wonder why we had so many guns. I have fired many of them many times. Only to make my dad proud. I was "his son". I never went hunting with him cause I could never kill an animal.
    My dad had a CCW permit and I begged him to never carry his gun.
    If someone tried to rob my dad and he had a gun, he would shoot them without thinking twice. Or if someone tried to take his truck, he would shoot them. I know this. I convinced him to not carry it because he would be sitting in prison for the rest of his life over a wallet or a truck. Are "your things" or "your pride" worth going to prison for?
    I know that I am rambling but if someone has a gun they very well may use it and someone one will end up dead over something that is really not that big of a deal - when you really think of it.


    P.S.
    Here is my thought and maybe it is a stupid one.
    If someone goes in to a store to buy a 9mm, why can't they make a law to check references or something? Co-workers, family, wives/husbands, employers, and classmates might want to know if a nut case is purchasing that type of gun. Oh well, in a perfect world. :(

    And if the media shows me one more time how fast it is to reload and fire a Glock, I am going to scream!!!!! :evil: :evil:

    Feeling helpless,
    EB
     
  7. 4biddenpleasrs

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    I believe that people should be able to own guns. Shooting at ranges is fun and challenging... like any other sport. But they should be looked away at the range.... or at least the law should require trigger locks or gun safes (the NRA lobbied against trigger locks).

    This would at least cut down on the kids killing themselves and others accidentally when they find daddy's gun.

    If you're a hunter... fine... own a gun or a rifle.... just make sure it's locked up.... farmers need guns to deal with coyotes and other preditors.

    But where I draw the l line is assault rifles and machine guns. There is absolutely no reason Joe P Public needs to have anything more than a pistol or rifle. A Mack-10 or M-16 are only good for killing people. Any of these types should be restricted.

    IMHO.
     
  8. tboyte

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    In SC, there is a 72 hour waiting period, because they do SLED investigations before selling to just anyone.
     
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    People just don't like change, and tradition is valued very highly here.

    There was a time when people actually needed guns.

    Some today may argue that they don't get sufficient protection from law enforcement and need to protect themselves and their families.

    But I think they should have to go through an application/interview/review/extended waiting period to determine if their circumstance warrants owning a firearm.
     
  10. 4biddenpleasrs

    4biddenpleasrs I can choose my own title Registered Member

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    we have guns in Canada but they're heavily restricted.... just transporting your gun from your house to the range is an event. But we do see less gun crime than the US.

    Is that because of our gun laws?... who knows.... some people claim yes.. some claim no.

    All I figure is less guns means less gun crime... I've read stories of people shooting thieves who were stealing food. Who shoots a starving person??? You can't take it back... it's not like hitting someone... it's deadly force.

    It seems to me that we've moved out of the ME generation and into the "@#$@ anyone else but me" generation.

    here's an article written by one of my favourite columnists

    http://www.torontosun.com/News/World/2007/04/19/4067249-sun.html


    For the record I'm not some kind of granola eating peacenik..... I just want some balance out there.
     
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