Yes this is the same way here. Each time I have gone out I am surprised to see the amount of 65+ people out and about. I helped two old ladies at CVS the other day with their bags, both of them did not give a sob story about how they were out shopping because they "had to" they both were out because they wanted to go out, and were both aggravated with wearing a mask. Really makes you think about how I am forced in, and many of the people I am forced in to help, don't want the help. And this was't just at that one experience at CVS. When I have made our weekly trips to the grocery store, and ti-weekly trips to Total Wine, they stores are 50% people over 65+. We got ice-cream the other night, There were 20+ cars in the drive though, and 30+ people in line. A lot of people have had about enough. We did what we did for like 53+ days now to slow the hospitals down. I think that was a little more than the old college-try. People are going to get sick, people are going to die, that's life. Sometimes it happens that some years are worse than others, sometimes it doesn't. This can be a bad year or two, and as a planet you just going to have to deal with that. It doesn't mean I don't value human life, it just means I understand that it ends. Sometimes unnecessary. I've had 3 grandparents die with pneumonia complications, and 1 of Pancreatic cancer. No crazy advances have been made in preventing those deaths in like 10 years.
Completely agree. Also factor in that most of the country is not densely populated, and the effects are very minimal. Just click on this link, and look at county by county in "fly over" country. Hardly any deaths, and very few total cases. The novel coronavirus in the U.S. It feels like they are moving the goal post. When we all started to shelter, we were told it was to not over run the hospitals, and end up like Italy. For whatever reason, bad modeling, or good sheltering, most of the terrible predictions didn't come thru. I remember Cumo complaining about the 400 ventilators he got early on, and he said, I don't need that number I need 40,000. Man was he way off?!! This life isn't sustainable. Are we really going to be without sports, school, movies, and restaurants until there is a vaccine... in two years?
Completely inaccurate conclusion based on your personal experience with an extremely small sample size. The reality is ‘many people you are forced in to help’ do want the help and do not want to die from this. To come to the conclusion you have come to based on trips to the stores running into the people that are not following the guidance does NOT mean the rest of us, the majority, staying home do not agree with the guidance and want the spread to minimize. And secondly, re ‘it doesn’t mean I don’t value human life’, I think it means you value human life less than many. I realize I am speaking for the silent majority against the vocal minority on here but if people are going to think those vulnerable don’t appreciate or want the help based on a few trips to the store then well I have to speak up and give the contrarian viewpoint.
The best way of helping the vulnerable is to shield them, and ensure that their time in shelter is as short as possible. The best way of achieving that is for the healthy to go about their daily business with sensible mitigation measures. The result being increased rate of immunity in the community as a whole, and thus reducing the rate of infection spread naturally. Not to hide your healthy self away alongside the vulnerable for an unspecified time waiting for a vaccine that might be years away, or never. Flattening the curve was all about ensuring health services were not overwhelmed, which even at the largely unprepared for peak they weren't. Now there is extra capacity to deal with fewer cases. When did flattening the curve morph from its original purpose to what the 'stay at homers' are asking for now?
Many of you are missing the fact that more and more health experts are pointing out that there is no assurance that being being infected gives you immunity nor do we know how long the immunity lasts if it does exist. Dr. Fauci has always said that immunity is a presumption ( a strong one) but that we do not knownthis to be a fact yet. Just yesterday, a hosiptal in New Orleans reported that 2 Covid patients who had tested positive, recuperated and we're tested negative, we're readmitted and tested positive. Obviously an anecdotal report and it is certainly possible one or more of the tests yielded a false result. I draw no conclusion, just stating that it is not a given that there will herd immunity. Only time will tell.
Isn't that the same opinion stated as fact that you have been posting about, and telling people to avoid? Not asking in an argumentative way, just wondering aloud. Sure my sample size may be small too, in our rural Illinois communities, I have a construction business, so I'm out seeing customers, and going to stores/lumberyards all the time everyday. Most people, even Trump haters feel the restrictions are overblown, and without merit. Very few elderly are "sheltering in place", some are, but not the majority, and they go out with caution, but still are living their lives. From charts I have seen the number of deaths from Covid aren't higher than Pneumonia+flu until you get above the 55 year old age bracket. Sure, I'm 49, and getting closer to that age, but they certainly haven't shut down the world, or anything even remotely close to that for those deaths. You take precautions, get your shots, wash your hands, and stay away from other sick people. I just don't see how you can continue this for people under that age bracket, when they have virtually no chance of dying from this virus. In the Michael Jordan documentary he talked about when he came back early from his leg injury in his second season. They said there was a 10% chance that he could injury it again, worse, and never play again. They went on to give him the example that if he had a headache, and there was a pill that would take away the headache, but had a 10% chance of killing him, would you still take the pill. Jordan said, "it depends on how strong the fucking headache was." I think that's the mentality of what my opinion is the"majority." This headache is pretty fucking strong....
You can think whatever it is you want about my valuation on human life, and not that it's necessary, but I could provide more examples than you would probably believe about what I have actually done with regard to human lives. I just tend to be a lot more realistic and logical in nature when it comes to this topic. You have no way to know what my sample size actually is, based on just the few local examples I gave in this most recent posting. You also have no idea the level of real and raw data that I have at my fingertips. I'm pretty confident saying that I have a better idea of how all this looks on paper with hospital data than 98% of the people you come across on various platforms on internet including facebook, you tube, local news, national news, etc. If you want to dub yourself a hero with "I am speaking for the silent majority against the vocal minority on here", then all the power to you. I have a few capes you can borrow if you want. For the record this is about my 4-5 post on this topic in way over a month. I am not a vocal majority on this topic, and I keep most of what I say pretty neutral. Just continue to hit that disagree button on everything you don't like if it makes you feel safe and you're fighting the good fight. Heard this recently, and thought it was interesting "People don't want to listen to other opinions. They want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth." (but I guess this could go both ways on here, so I am not trying to be a hypocrite. I just don't appreciate you telling me what I think about the value of human life is from a few observations I typed out casually on here for some respectful conversations.)
Agree, I get in the scheme of things we are pretty early into it, however I haven't heard anyone say what we are going to do if we don't ever get a vaccine. I mean that is a real possibility, and even best case scenario we don't get one for a year and a half. Are we really going to live our lives like this for that long. Everyone's sports careers, acting, music etc... are done with?
Dr. Fauci also said in late January or early Feb. that this would be no worse than the seasonal flu, and that we weren't to be wearing mask, as they made no difference. He has great wisdom, but his words aren't gospel. He is the kind of guy that if your city was being attacked instead of jumping in the tank and fighting the enemy he would say, shouldn't we check the maintenance schedule on this tank first? Not saying we need to Trump are way into everything, but Fauci is only looking to give answers that cover his butt, and can be backed by science. Some decisions are going to have to be made that have some risk.
Remember, this is a NOVEL coronavirus...like all of us, Dr. Fauci has learned new information and adjusted his views as the information became available. I was appalled when listening to a US podcast on a big network that called for Fauci and Birx to be FIRED. New modelling released late yesterday revised estimated deaths to 134,000 in US by first week of August. The CDC's own modelling released yesterday predicts 3000 US deaths per day by June. A security guard was shot at a dollar store in Michigan yesterday after requiring someone to wear a mask in the store. The shooter left the store, went home to get a gun, and came back to kill the guard. WTF?! God save America...please.
