I wonder how those numbers translate into something about which I'm interested, i.e. can I go on my end-June trip, or not? I wonder if they've got a special website for me & my question somewhere. (Yes, I understand that last bit invites repartee & witticisms...)
Running out of beer! This just got real.... New crisis looming: without production, beer inventory is running low
Hey .. Will have to come up with some info about sweden. They have a man who decides how and what to do about this virus. They are also the only country in the Whole EU that chooses to do nothing. Denmark has closed its borders to Sweden. There are 5 times more deaths in Sweden than in Denmark. They have 6 times more infected than in Denmark.
We really won’t know which way was better for at least 6 months until those other countries open back up and have secondary outbreaks.
I have seen all of the data. It's exactly what you would expect considering the two different paths out of the situation. Sweden is letting the virus run it's course through the population and most other countries have decided to shut down their economies and social distance, etc. Time will tell what was the right decision, but it seems that Sweden's health care system has been able to handle their decision. Do they have a higher death rate...undeniably, but that is what they have decided to be acceptable as the trade off to herd immunity. Only time and data will show which way out was the least stressful to their society, economy, etc.
The idea that Sweden is doing nothing is a bit inaccurate. They’ve shut down high schools, universities, people are working from home, and they’re encouraging social distancing like elsewhere. They just haven’t gone as far. I think the big thing is that it’s Sweden... a solution for them likely wood not work in population dense areas like New York, LA, Toronto etc. It might not work with American/Canadians in their place either... we seem to have a different trust in our governments.
This is what people in the US can’t seem to wrap their brains around. Sheltering in place isn’t preventing deaths, it’s simply extending the date in which they occur. Unless we all stay bubble wrapped and bathing in hand sanitizer at home until there is a vaccine, and enough of it available for everyone to get it, the virus isn’t going anywhere. It’ll be outside waiting for us next week, in 2 weeks, in a month, in 6 months etc. So we either decide to shut down the economy until everyone gets vaccinated, which could be 12-18 months away, or we start going for herd immunity like Sweden. The reality is, if people over 65 and those with preexisting conditions stay home, the health care system will not be overwhelmed and the death rate will decline exponentially. Seems like the obvious path to take between all of the bad options available.
This is the part I strongly disagree with... ‘This is what people in the US can’t seem to wrap their brains around. Sheltering in place isn’t preventing deaths, it’s simply extending the date in which they occur.‘ 1. I think to say that people ‘can’t wrap their brains around it‘ is like saying that your opinion is fact. There is plenty of math to support the other side of this debate. To imply that I don’t have the brain power to understand the concept is inaccurate. I still love you Jared (hope you are well) but it is ok to have a different conclusion than others. 2. Sheltering in place is preventing deaths. It is a fact that areas with stricter regulations are seeing less spread and less deaths CURRENTLY. If your THEORY is we will get the virus once we stop distancing and it is inevitable then I strongly disagree with this. If there is less virus out there then there is less of a chance that I get the virus. And less people die. I also don’t agree that this is an either/or decision with complete shut down or herd immunity. There are middle of the road options. There is a lot of theory being presented as fact. And there is a lot of bias based on ones current health, economic and sadly even political situation. Only time will tell how the countries with herd immunity end up in death rate compared to those who take the social distancing approach. And a lot of time as you will need to include future waves. So I disagree with your theory. I tried to bet Steve earlier but he declined. Maybe we could make a friendly wager that gets us up to CT when you eventually lose? Ha. Trying to make light of a heavy topic.
As my province starts reopening they’ve been pretty clear they are doing so because they have capacity in our hospitals to deal with more infections. Flattening the curve was always about avoiding runaway infections overwhelming the health care system like we saw in Italy and New York.
