New Car, IVA, Tenencia

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  1. V

    V I can choose my own title Registered Member

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    OK, I've been reading everywhere that the tenecia had been eliminated in Qroo, but when I went to negotiate a new car purchase I was told that the tax was not eliminated for foreigners; that is to say, if you did not have an IFE (Mexican Voting Card), you had to pay tenecia, and that it didn't matter if you were a holder of an FM2.

    I don't know if this is true, but it also made me start wondering if we wouldn't also have to pay IVA on the purchase.

    Anybody know anything about this, IVA on new car purchases, or tenecia on new car purchases in Qroo in 2012?
     
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    Sounds fishy to me.

    When you say "new" you mean brand new like from the dealer, or new as in different?
     
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    Brand new, from a dealer.
     
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    Based on nothing more than experience of living here and of salesman generally, I think he's trying to pull a fast one. I cant think of any situation where a legal foreign resident is obliged to pay more than a legal non foreign resident for the exact same thing.

    Tell him to screw it, and you're going to look at a different make. Do so, and see if the different sales guy tells you the same thing.

    Or buy a used car.. did I mention I will have one for sale soon :)
     
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    Just wondering. Why would you NOT have to pay IVA? BUT, like everything else, wouldn't it have to be included in the price shown?

    I had an interesting experience years ago when I purchased window treatments from Hunter Douglas. Their price last is for the entire republic. When the salesperson was computing my bill, she took 15% off, then added 10%, ti adjust for the different tax rate for Q.Roo. Be aware of this when you get ready to buy here. The difference on a new car would be significant.
     
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    Straight from the horses mouth at Tenencia, if you don't have an I.F.E. (permit to vote in Mexico, possessed only by Mexican Citizens) you must pay tenecia, as before.

    Re: IVA, if you are a persona fiscal, rather than a persona moral (corporation), you don't have to pay IVA on the new car, according to the dealership.... We'll see....

    Of course it was shocking to discover that we would have to pay the Tenecia, because part of our decision process in deciding to buy a new car was being free of that very large tax burden which, in this case, will be more than twice what we pay in property taxes.

    It is easier to impose this burden on foreigners, at Mexican election time, than it would be on all the locals, so that's what they've apparently decided to do.
     
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    Can you say"Presta Nombre"?
     
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    Not something I'd be inclined to try, on anything of much value. A trusted friend could die suddenly, or get into a sticky divorce situation, etc., making that just a little too uncertain, as well as unnecessary.

    If I have to pay, as others did for many years, I won't object: the taxes I pay here, for the most part, are very small compared to what I'd be paying in the U.S.: $300 USD for property taxes, what looks like may be about $500 annual taxes on the car, and a net income tax that runs to only just about 5% of my gross income. If these are my contributions to the running of the government here, I have no objections at all.

    I do object to foreigners being singled out to continue to have to pay the tenecia at the former, higher rates, while locals are now paying less than $25 USD/year, in most cases. (Whether they will continue to get this special treatment after the elections, and all the votes are in, remains to be seen! They suffered with those higher rates for a very long time, however.)
     
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    OK, now I have a concrete report. Hacienda charged me 3,900 pesos in tenecia taxes, in addition to the fees associated with getting plates for a new car.

    No one else I know, or have heard of, has been charged more than 270 pesos, no matter what their immigration status, some with just FMMs.
     
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    V,

    Are you saying that you were required to pay roughly 15 times what anyone you know had to pay for essentially the same thing?

    I knew a Bentley was a big ticker item but 15 times more then a regular car is nuts.

    Did they give you any explanation, reasonable or otherwise?
     
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