Security In April/May

candigirlfreak · May 25, 2011

thanks jamie you took the time out on your vacation to answer alot of questions for the repeaters and TTR virgins of what happened and not rumors that seam to be flying around.we really thank you for keeping us updated

Steve · May 25, 2011

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In talking with them they were caught off guard because being booked through a tour operator they see only double booked rooms. Each being 1 of x allocation that the operator had.

I suggested that they go back to that operator and tell them that if they do a booking like that again they might not be able to sell Temptation rooms in the future. But then again, if each couple of guys booked seperately via a web site, the operator might not see it either.

So it's tough to prevent totally.

Jamie
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In the UK every time you try to book Temptation either by phone or in a traditional high street travel agency the TA will warn you "You do know Temptation is an adults only resort and it may not be suitable for those who are uncomfortable with adult entertainment ?" or words to that effect.

My suggestion would be that in addition to that warning they also instruct TA's to not accept single sex groups of over x persons. In parts of Europe such as Greece, Spain, Turkey etc restrictions on single sex groups at hotels that choose to do so has been in effect for years, I've been away from the UK for 7 years and it was in effect well before I left.

There are 2 operators in the UK that I am sure provide >90% of UK Temptation bookings. Telling them they wont accept all of their clients if they send a group like that again isn't an option for TTR I would guess. It would be like telling Funjet or Apple the same.

Football season has just finished in the UK, traditionally lots of 20 something guys have an end of season team get away to somewhere exotic and Cancun is becoming more cheap and more accessible.

I think there will be more situations like the Liverpool 42 unless something changes, and it is up to TTR to make those changes by instructing their sellers imho.

summerbum · May 26, 2011

Jamie, your report really reassured me about our trip coming up in June. Thank you for helping put things into perspective. Things make a whole lot more sense to me now!

Donald · May 26, 2011

Agree with most of the stuff you say, but still dislike there approach.

and their biggest BS line is...........

Their excuse on the Legality of it ( nudity, sex being illegal ) in Mexico when they allow it at Desires!

Seems all the extra security is to protect us from single male groups,,time to fix the problem and stop HARASSING the innocent .

jeff & deb · May 26, 2011

That was great Jamie thank you for the time you put into that post. I agree with you and the resort.. As I've said somtimes we get what we wish for. Before we went we heard alot of complaints that there wasn't enough security, and then we arrived some people found it was to much..

4biddenpleasrs · May 26, 2011

Donald said: ↑

Agree with most of the stuff you say, but still dislike there approach.

and their biggest BS line is...........

Their excuse on the Legality of it ( nudity, sex being illegal ) in Mexico when they allow it at Desires!

Seems all the extra security is to protect us from single male groups,,time to fix the problem and stop HARASSING the innocent .
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I understand what you're saying but how are they supposed to know who is innocent?

Jamie's point about stopping people from having sex in public is valid. How do they know that there is consent? The tipping point between wild fun and a riot is small and easy to go from one to the other.

SharonTerry · May 26, 2011

Jamie said: ↑

There has been a lot of discussion about the level of security at TTR this year and the much more controlled environment. Through this post I hope to provide some background and insight for understanding at least from my point of view. I’m not looking to piss anyone off, offend, or chastise. I don’t plan to get into a long drawn out philosophical discussion about the validity of any response or defend any actions taken by the hotel management but to try and provide some insight on what and why things were happening.

This year I had the opportunity to sit and talk with a lot of different people at TTR. From the GM, to the Head of Premiere, on duty managers, entertainment staff, bartenders, and other guests. There was a lot of talk about the current atmosphere and the controlled environment. In order to help establish the baseline it might be good to set the stage that presented itself in late April and early May.

In early April there were 5 guys from Chile that became upset one night in PadyO’s and ended up in a fight with the bartenders. In the end, 3 bartenders, 5 security guards and a couple of hotel management ended up involved in a skirmish that lead to trips to the hospital and jail for some.

Next you had the 42 lads from England arrive that swooped in on every female, accompanied or not, in a pack mentality. There were a couple of girls that decided to provide them with body shots. In the end, the frenzy left the hotel management afraid that there might be a gang rape just about to happen from the liberties being taken at the time they put an end to it.

At the same time there were 4 or 5 guys wandering around whipping out their junk and dropping it on shoulders and laps of ladies as a way of introducing themselves.

Face it, it was really bad. We met a couple that came back in May after being there in April, just to get the taste of what happen out of their mouths.

When we got there, there was a guy wandering about drunk groping and trying to kiss ladies as they sunned on the beds by the pool.

Later in our stay there was a couple at Diego’s bar that were both drunk and basically having clothed sex on one of the stools. They eventually grabbed one of the single girls and started kissing on her before they left the area. The girl was traumatized for a while by the event.

You’ve also read in a few of the trip reports some of the other incidents that occurred.

With the exception of the guys from Chile, no one was punched, slapped or otherwise accosted. Security was alerted to several incidents that happened while we were there and they immediately shutdown what was happening.

There were also at least two fights around the sexy pool in the two weeks we were there. Previously it took at least 4 years to have two fights.

So as you can see a sexy vibe, sexy ladies barley covered, and unlimited alcohol puts the resort on a knife’s edge of going from a fun place to a riot. For example, to a person, both male and female, the guests I talked to would have reacted in a violent way to the dropping of the junk.

So from week to week, even day to day the management struggles with what crowd is there and how prominent security should be. We all know they are monitoring the situation via the cameras located around the resort but sometimes they put guards in locations so they can respond more quickly to any incident. An easy example is outside Nice Shoes on lingerie night. If the ladies leaving the club are bothered by other guests, the guards are right there not having to respond from the other side of the resort. Now when guests look up and see the guards they have one of two reactions. They are there to protect us or they are there waiting to hassle us.

For example, at the end of Casino night one guest came out shirtless to PadyO’s. The guard there told him that he had to have a shirt on to be in PadyO’s. Any other night, the guard was right. This night he was wrong. The guest felt he was being singled out, watch and persecuted. He went to his room and changed and said that he felt that was easier than fighting city hall. Because he felt watched, he told everyone that came out later about the event which then made everyone feel even more watched. The guard came up and apologized when the guest returned saying he was sorry and that no shirt was permissible for tonight. The guest felt that the apology really wasn’t sincere. As with any event, one perceives the event though their shade of glasses that are colored by their emotions and feelings.

Witnessing that same event I saw the first guests come out of casino night by themselves. The guard spaced that it was Thursday and seeing a guy with no shirt told him that he needed a shirt. Later more people came out and the guard realized his mistake. When the guest returned, the guard came over and in his limited English, which was much better than my limited Spanish, apologized for the mistake and told the guest that it was alright for him to be without a shirt and apologized for making him change. Given the option of realizing the mistake and going “oh well” versus biting the bullet and coming up to apologize for the mistake, I think the guard when way out on the limb.

Perceptions are reality to folks. We all get that. But we sometimes have to step back validate our perceptions.

Just like in the United States, sex on the beach, sex in public, full nudity, and things like mouth to nipple and other private parts in public is illegal in Mexico. But we’ve all seen it happen at TTR and rather that accept that when we did it was special, we’ve come to expect it. When we can’t do it or can’t watch it – well management is just being unreasonable and over controlling.

That’s one of the things that make Steve’s Boobs Cruise so special.. out on the ocean there are no rules, it’s anything goes. But back on land, things aren’t as simple. What they want to allow and can allow on a regular basis aren’t always the same.

For those that have been to BBG/TTR in the past, we’ve all seen the pendulum swing on exactly how wild one can get when at the resort. Some years it seems we can get away with anything, some years we can’t do anything. But rather than come in and see where the pendulum is at the time and adjust lots of repeaters, and newbies, come in looking for the wild times and chaff at anything that keeps them from living those times. I had a PM from some Newbies that were looking forward to their X rated vacation and were highly disappointed that they may have to settle for PG-13.

First of all we all have to remember that TTR is about the tease. Read the advertisements. “A hip vibe is the hallmark of this beachfront, topless optional hotel where the vibrating, sexy and adults only atmosphere gets you totally invigorated and relaxed.” No where in there does it say body shots, balcony shows, sex in the pool or on the beach. So expecting an X rated visit to the resort is unrealistic. Yeah it might happen but in no way is it promised or guaranteed. If you want the guarantee head to Hedo or Desires.

The hotel really appreciates repeaters. Honest, they do. But they have real problems when they arrive with demands that exceed their ability to provide at the time.

Their first concern is your safety. Like when security walks up to you when you’re having sex on the beach. They are not there to get pointers. Besides the fact, as already stated, that it’s illegal, they are looking to make sure that the lady on the bottom is there willingly and not getting raped. Some folks have said, why don’t they let us have fun and see that we’re not there to cause problems… most of the time it’s not you that they are worried about but the reaction of others to what you are doing. Remember the girls mentioned about? They were looking to have fun with a couple of guys, not 42. I know last week when we were there that when we didn’t push back against security they stopped hanging around. Sure we started off having less fun than the year before but also were able to turn it up now and then and as long as we didn’t attract the attention of those around us, we had no problems.

And as far as inconsistent application of security, or one security guard saying one thing and another doing something else.. remember that things are done differently in different countries. Those up a 6 AM to get chairs at the pool in the morning witnessed the typical shift change and debrief between security guards each day. 6 AM approached, the guard on duty came to the same spot each day, his replacement walked up, got handed the walkie-talkie, and the guard on duty ran for the bus to go home. So when policy changes it might take a little time for it to filter through the ranks. We’ve all experienced the guard at PadyO’s saying go out to Diego’s to do body shots, then the guard out by Diego’s saying go back to PadyO’s. So you bring them both together and get them to decide.. usually Diego’s.

The point is that they aren’t there and don’t want to play the Gestapo. Yeah they present a stern don’t mess with me face… in Mexico, unlike the US, when they apply for a security job they kind of expect to go at it sooner or later with someone. The Latino blood runs hot and people don’t always back down. Sure they are working with tourists at the resort but most people only have one game face. And I’m willing to bet that sensitivity training is not high on the list of things to accomplish. It is what it is.

OK.. so this is a really long post but the bottom line is the level of enjoyment of your vacation at TTR is up to you. Go with an open mind, go with the flow and play within the pendulum while you are there and you will have a great time. You will probably even get to push the current envelope while you are there. The entertainment staff knows what you want. They will push the envelope with you to the full extent they can. If they can’t do body shots on the pool bar, then they will do jelly shots on the pool deck. It the atmosphere allows it, there will be naked tequila volleyball. Either way, you will have a great time.

Go with preconceived plans and expectations and you are likely to be disappointed and clash with security the whole time.

Take the post as you will - dismiss it, take it to heart, laugh or cry. It’s just my humble attempt to bridge a gap I see growing and bringing negative feelings into what should otherwise be an outstanding vacation. Temptation is a unique resort. We’ve all described it at one time or another as a college frat party for adults. Well remember what happens at frat parties and how they work.. in the main room there is partying going on and occasionally you’ll see some T&A. The heavier stuff happens in the rooms upstairs. If you approach Temptation the same way, you’ll never have a problem and occasionally you’ll be surprised at some good times in the main room.

Thanks for reading……..

Jamie
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Well said...agreed!

MichiganCity2 · May 26, 2011

Well Jamie that was written with alot of thought and alot of logic and common sense. Well said......... S & T

lnjnnc · May 26, 2011

time to fix the problem and stop HARASSING the innocent .
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Which is where I was headed in my post(s).

I welcome the added security. But, JUST do your job. Make our vacation "secure".

Stopping good, clean, innocent fun....because you're worried about the "bad apples" isn't an acceptable excuse (to me). Just eliminate the bad apples.

rdubnpk · May 26, 2011

rdubnpk
All I"ve got to say about the whole thing is...............Damn!!!!..........someone's got big enough junk to take out and lay on someone's shoulder???

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