There is a lot of different definitions of racism out there just cause mine or Wikipedia doesn't match yours or Merriasm's or Masada's doen't mean either is right or wrong Millions more people use Wikipedia, and is more up to date then Merriam's. I stand by what I said Next drinks are on me
Seems like a bit of a pointless argument if you ask me. Academically wikipedia isn't as accepted as a publication like a dictionary, scientific journal etc. the reason is that it's open and anyone can edit the information. For example on many topics you could add or change information at your will. Stephen Colbert had a running gag on his show a few years ago when he had people edit the page of African Elephants to say that they were overpopulated for example. I'm not saying that wikipedia is bad, just that there is a reason many people don't accept it as a source on it's own. And really I'm not even saying that I don't think the wikipedia version of the definition of racism is a bad one. My personal opinion is that what we are talking about is definitely a form of discrimination based on where you come from, but I would tend to say it's not a form of racism. This group of english douchenozzles is likely mostly if not entirely white but there isn't any reason that there could have been all kinds different coloured people that are english and part of that group (Asian-English, African-English, etc etc). That's why I think that simply stating that there is a discriminatory attitude to large groups of single British guys to me seems more accurate. Ok that's enough thinking for one night!
Mind if I coin your new word? :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: I love it! Outside of that... :deadhorse: Now , back to the party!!artyhorn: George
We talked about this problem in our trip report from last year. We found it amazing how many people in this forum completely thought there was no problem, and a few even sent us emails about it. Hate to break it to everyone, but facts are facts and the problem continues to be groups from a particular country. I cant stand people who equivocate other possible situations. You know, theses were not 42 rednecks from the south like one stated. Thats called making sure you 'put down' other groups make everyone feel good. Dont let the facts get in your way when making a comment. The same crap happened when we were there and if it happens this next time, we will start going to Cabo. Steve, it took balls to start this post but you are really doing a great service to all of us who go regularly. Those who were just there and dealt with this group, it sucks to spend your hard earned money and to have to be around this.
Simply put racism is the belief that your race (Caucasian,Chinese,Arab) is superior to another race. What Steve said about most of the single guys that are causing disruptions could be considered prejudice. However it is in no way shape or form a racist comment.
I started the thread and by stating the group as Brits it wasnt racist nor prejudice in any way imho - just a statement of fact and an observation of a situation that has happened before, and one that pisses me off. For those that dont know I am English myself - I was born and lived all my life in England for 36 years before moving to Cancun - and am about as proud of my country as is possible. I'm not sure you can be racist/prejudice against your own country, can you? I believe that when you visit a foreign country you are an ambassador for your country - not only to those from your host country but to those from other countries who you may meet and have an effect on. When that effect is negative then it saddens me that my fellow countrymen have given a bad impression to people who may not get to meet many other Brits in their normal life on the other side of the pond, and may form a view of a whole nation based on the actions of a few. If the group had been from the US or Canada or Brazil or wherever I would have been more reluctant in stating where they were from. However, since they are from my own country I feel quite comfortable in calling their nationality and by doing so hope that, in whatever small way, it might prevent or reduce the same thing happening in future. And, more importantly, may convince some that not all Brits behave that way. I also feel that such issues could be misconstrued as being a 'singles problem'. I would not like to see the resort go couples only because there are far too many singles of all nationalities who behave respectfully and TTR would be a worse place without them. The problem is not with singles it is with gangs of same sex singles - and the fact is, more often than not, the gangs of same sex singles come from the UK. As to why these situations often involve Brits, well for a start Brits get much more holiday from work than most folks in the US and Canada plus it is cheap to travel here from the UK, not a great deal more expensive than destinations closer to home - and much more exotic. Add to that the popular trend of the last 30 years for your football team or stag party or local pub to go on holiday en masse in a huge single sex group for a drunken week of debauchery... I just dont think that kind of thinking exists in other countries. Anyone who is British on cancuncare will know what impact similar groups have had on resorts in Europe such as Tenerife, Magaluf, Ibiza, Prague, Aya Napa, Malia etc. I really dont want Cancun to turn into just another 18-30 resort or stag and hen destination. Cancun is far better than that!
Totally agree Steve. You have hit the nail on the head. Again I state that the issue is with TUI and Thomas Cook allowing the booking in the first place
I agree it wasn't a racist comment. I originally was commenting on someones post who insinuated he was , and it turned into a thread on the definition of racism.
